Michelle Freeman is the CEO of Witty Gritty. But we don't talk about any of that.

Instead, Michelle talks about all of the other parts that make her a complete human: learning loyalty from her mother, the destructiveness of humans, unpacking buried emotions, growing up with an alcoholic father, and more.

Visiting psychologist, Dr. Shirah Foy DSc also calls in. She specializes in how connections & interactions between culture and individual identity affect the development of new ventures. We talk about the science behind why we sometimes bury ourselves in work to ignore or dismiss personal stuff going on in our lives.

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