Penelope Douglas is the Chief of Strategy & Revenue Officer at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts. But we don't talk about any of that.

Instead, Penelope talks about all of the other parts that make her a complete human: how we have an amazing ability to pick ourselves back up, the satisfaction of spending time alone, what she noticed while walking downtown, stardust, and more.

Returning visiting psychologist, Dr. Nettra D. Pan, specializing in social psychology, sociology and strategy, also calls in to talk about the science behind how humans find the courage to get up the next morning after going through difficult personal life moments.

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